Zeytran, the Teen-Demon

Then he wouldn't be a great manipulator in that case either. Manipulators use lying as part of their trade. Even the mos subtle of mind games, as to start with some small lie to spark it off. If he hates to lie, then he can't do the job very well or at all.

Again, you are taking "hates to" as synonymous to "won't do"

Which is totally wrong.

Even if doesn't like to, that still flies in the face of what manipulators do. Some even enjoy the feeling of lying.

Why are we discussing this? I've said it before, I'll say it again. He prefers not to lie. He can still manipulate very well.

Can you please not lash out like you are? It's not very believable to have someone who is able to manipulate others to dislike lying. That's like one of the core aspects of it.

I'm not lashing out..? I'm getting mildly frustrated, though.

His mentality process goes "If you must lie to get someone to believe you, then you are not very good at manipulation." He's like one of the fairie's from the Shadowhunter Chronicles, but he can lie. But he'll usually just distort the truth to convince others.

I don't see why he can't be a manipulator without having to incessantly lie. He will lie when it is required.

To me, its a bit of lashing out.

His thought process is contrary to what every manipulator does. I've never seen shadowhunt, so that's something I wouldn't get. If you want him this way, then expect that he's not going to be as convincing to others as one would expect.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

The Seelie Queen can manipulate people without lying. They don't lie, as they literally cannot, but instead will just distort the truth or give half-truths. Zeytran would probably do something similar, except he CAN lie, he just refrains from doing it until necessary.

I would call what that character did in those books word play to lead to confusion, not exactly the same kind of manipulation you're dealing with for this. But make it clear on what kind of manipulation he uses so no one is confused.

He doesn't use just one. He'll use whatever manipulation he needs to, but I think the word play, like the Seelie Queen, would probably be his favorite and most exercised.

You didn't update the weakness I told you to update.

You didn't tell me any weakness to update.

He doesn't use one specific brand of manipulation, so I can't update it with that.

I did if you look back at the last page. I told you to explain a certain one and you didn't do that.

I still do not follow. It would be easier if you'd just say it again instead of doing this.

I said to explain it, you explained it to me and I said to put it in.

Done. Next time could you be more forward with how you phrase it? It's kind of annoying and pointless. I could've gotten this done sooner if you had just said it.

Now, to the history fixes that shadow recommended to you.

A. He never really gave me solutions, he just pointed out "errors"
B. "Errors" being things that were okay last time, but not now.

The ones I could fix I already did.

A. He doesn't give good suggestions then.

B. No. Back when I first did Zeytran, it was actually, if I recall correctly, YOU who suggested the bullying thing, seeing how Demongo was a "wimp" before the show. It has nothing to do with how I portrayed him and I'm getting fed up with you all implying/insinuating that I am lying.

Besides, why would Demongo just be strolling around the upper world? It makes way more sense for him to have been hunting for souls and come across Zeytran.

Because he takes souls of the living warriors and that is where his master is. His master sends him places in the world above to take out threats to him. The underworld is no interest to Aku. Have you ever seen the one shot episode with him in it.

Um, yes, I have seen it.

You know, maybe give some better suggestions. Cause if I went with what Blue said, here's what would happen next:

"Why would Demongo take interest in him?"
"Why would Demongo come across him?"

This history worked before, why can't it work now? You guys are so inconsistent >.<

The history ties too heavily with Demongo, it's pretty much dominated by it. There is less about his history with his family than anything. Just the basic facts in this, Demongo wouldn't be in the under world at all, thus he and Zeytran wouldn't meet til years and years later. Use the bullying thing to force Zeytran to become stronger and to develop the skills he has.

I admit it may be rude, but I am getting very frustrated. His suggestions aren't helping me, though.

I can bring up the thread, if you want.

That is not what ya'll said last time. I've accommodated the profile accordingly, but I don't exactly have a good, detailed personality for Demongo I can call upon. I don't mind it not going the way I want, but I do mind when nobody can even look at it from my point.

I'm imagining a little spoof of Aku saying "go kill Javerick" and Demongo acting like a kitten and whimpering, then he tries to assassinate Javerick but he runs away before he even starts.

XD

Wait, isn't Him sometimes in the Underworld?